Vizuina Tapirului

asea deci, sa purcedem. asadar, traiasca Magarusul! May the Red White turn Blue in 2008 (copyright pe sloganul asta, l-am copt acum)

a, da, si mare atentie cerbu, voi fi la fel de nemilos cu postarile aici cum esti tu in coltul tau (na, cum te-am pus la colt).


Poll: Democratic leaders back Dean

Thursday, February 10, 2005 Posted: 6:52 PM EST (2352 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As the Democratic National Committee opens its annual meeting, a new poll of DNC members suggests party leaders want to see some serious changes and believe former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean will do an excellent job as party chairman.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Thursday indicates the members who chose to reply to the survey also overwhelmingly believe the party should draw clear distinctions between itself and the GOP and should work to defeat the Republican agenda over the Bush administration's final four years.

Surveyors questioned 223 of the DNC's 447 members or their spokespeople by phone between January 27 and February 8. Answers are representative of the views of the members who chose to take part in the poll.

The DNC, comprising delegations from the states and other Democratic institutions, began its annual meeting Thursday and is set to select Dean -- the six other candidates have dropped out -- as its chairman, replacing Terry McAuliffe.

Another survey conducted by CNN/USA Today/Gallup from January 14 through January 16, this time a poll of rank-and-file Democrats nationwide, indicated that Democrats are more skeptical about their party's prospects in the 2008 presidential race than are members of the DNC leadership.

Of DNC members, 96 percent thought the party has a fair shot to recapture the White House -- with 30 percent saying it is extremely likely, 47 percent saying very likely and 19 percent somewhat likely.

Nearly half of the Democrats surveyed nationwide last month said it is only somewhat likely, while 18 percent said extremely likely and 24 percent said very likely.

The margin of error for the national poll was plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Dean's candidacy for the chairmanship has galvanized some parts of the party, but some results of the poll seemed at odds with the enthusiastic support for him.

Although 63 percent of the DNC members who responded to the survey said that the socially liberal/fiscally conservative Dean would make an excellent chairman (and another 27 percent said he would be good in the job), just over half indicated the party should be more moderate and 23 percent said it should be more liberal.

In last month's poll of Democrats, 35 percent of respondents wanted to see the party become more liberal and 59 percent wanted to see it become more moderate. Fewer of the Democrats polled nationwide gave a "no opinion" on that question.

Asked why John Kerry lost to Bush in 2004, the DNC members surveyed said it wasn't the Democratic positions on the issues.

Almost half the DNC members who agreed to be interviewed said Bush's status as a wartime president up for re-election was the main factor. Twenty percent cited inability to keep up on a grass-roots level, and 16 percent said Kerry was too weak a candidate.

Only 7 percent said it was the party's positions.

Fifty-six percent of the party leaders said the party needs major changes in its approach to winning elections, and another 34 percent called for minor changes -- and 61 percent, given a choice between persuading undecided voters and mobilizing the base, said going after so called "swing" voters is the more important.

Most DNC members questioned were in favor of withdrawing troops from Iraq. The poll showed 37 percent favored bringing some troops home and nearly a quarter said all of the troops should return now. About 15 percent favored sending more troops and 17 percent said to leave the troops level as is.

Dean pledges to lead Democrats back to power




Thursday, February 10, 2005 Posted: 1:38 PM EST (1838 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Howard Dean promised cheering supporters Wednesday night he would harness their energy to lead the Democratic Party back to power in the halls of Congress and the White House by 2008.

The virtually certain incoming chairman of the Democratic National Committee rallied hundreds of young supporters, and a few he called "young at heart," in a campaign-style appearance at a Washington nightspot within view of the Capitol.

In his first public appearance since clinching the chairmanship, he gave a glimpse of the kind of uncompromising leadership he plans for the national party.

The Democrats "are a party of the future, while Republicans are the party of the past," Dean said.

"We need to be proud to be Democrats," said Dean, recalling the kind of exuberant appearances he made during 2003 when he came close to winning the Democratic presidential nomination before collapsing in early 2004 in Iowa.

"We have to never be afraid to say what we believe," Dean said, as the crowd roared its approval. "Above all, we need to stand up for a different vision."

On the steps of the restaurant-brewery where the event was held, he urged supporters to look behind them at the brightly lit, white dome of the Capitol.

"After 2006, we will make major strides in regaining that building, and in 2008 we're going to have it," Dean said. "In 2008, there will be a Democrat walking down Pennsylvania Avenue to the other end."

Supporter Rebecca Cague watched Dean with a wistful smile.

"I feel like he is what we need to revive the party," she said. "He's not afraid to speak his mind; and when he does, he speaks for us."

Dean promised to work closely with top congressional leaders such as Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and with Democratic officials at the national, state and local level.

As Dean worked up the crowd, one of his supporters shouted: "Give 'em hell, Howard!"

"I'm trying to be restrained in my new role," Dean said with a mischievous grin. "I may be looking for a three-piece suit ...

He paused and then burst out laughing.

"Fat chance!"

Dean is set to be elected party chairman February 12, but was careful to assume nothing after his late collapse in the presidential race, starting phrases with "If I am elected chairman of the Democratic Party ..."

All other candidates for chairman have dropped out of the race.

And Democrats have been falling in line behind Dean's chairmanship, hoping to gain from his energy and network of supporters while restraining his tendency to get make caustic comments that sometimes stir controversy.

Sen. John Kerry, the party's presidential nominee in 2004, is contributing $1 million to the Democratic National Committee to support efforts by Dean to build grass-roots support for the party at the state level.

"A new DNC chair will be elected at the end of this week," Kerry wrote in an e-mail to three million supporters. "Let's make sure he has everything he needs to start strong."

Dean named Democratic Party chief

Former presidential candidate rips Bush's plans for America

Saturday, February 12, 2005 Posted: 2:35 PM EST (1935 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean took the helm of the Democratic National Committee on Saturday, vowing, "Today will be the beginning of the re-emergence of the Democratic Party."

Dean, 56, won the chairmanship on a voice vote of the 447-member committee after six other candidates dropped out in recent weeks.

He immediately laid out his vision for rebuilding a party clobbered in recent elections, leaving it out of power in the White House, both chambers of Congress, and a majority of governorships.

"Republicans wandered around in the political wilderness for 40 years before they took back Congress.

"But the reason that we lost control is because we forgot why we were entrusted with that control in the first place," Dean said in his acceptance speech.

"The American people cannot afford to wait for 40 more years for us to put Washington back to work for them."

"It won't take us that long -- not if we stand up for what we believe in, organize at the local level, and recognize that strength does not come from the consultants down. It comes from the grass roots up."

Republicans, Dean said, "know the America they want, and...are not afraid to use any means to get there.

"But there is something that this administration and the Republican Party are very afraid of -- it is that we may actually begin fighting for what we believe: fiscally responsible, socially progressive values for which Democrats have always stood and fought."

The former presidential contender, who appeared likely to win the party's nomination before his candidacy fizzled in early 2004, promised to work hard in areas in which the Democratic Party faces major uphill battles.

While avoiding the heated, emotional style of his infamous "scream" speech that contributed to his loss of the presidential nomination, Dean, in measured tones, lobbed heavy criticism at the GOP and President Bush's agenda.

Referring to Bush's 2006 budget, submitted this week, Dean said, "The Republicans introduced a $2.5 trillion budget that deliberately conceals the cost of their fiscal recklessness."

The budget, Dean said, "brings Enron-style accounting to the nation's capital and it demonstrates once again what all Americans are now beginning to see: you cannot trust Republicans with your money."

He lashed out at Bush's Social Security plan, which would allow people to place some money earmarked for Social Security into private investment accounts.

"We believe that a lifetime of work earns you a retirement of dignity," he said. "We will not let that be put at risk by leaders who continually invent false crises to justify policies that don't work, in this case borrowing from our children, shredding our social safety net in the process."

Despite his litany of criticisms, Dean said, "We cannot win if all we are is against the current president and his administration."

"The Republicans will not tell Americans what the Democratic agenda is. We will do that," he aid.

Dean described his party is a "big tent" that represents the young, the elders, veterans, members of the armed services, and all working Americans "desperate for a government that looks out for them."

Dean also vowed to work to help the Democratic Party build a reputation as strong on national security, saying, "There is no reason for Democrats to be defensive on national defense."

Some Democrats are nervous that Dean, who has actively opposed the Iraq war from the start, will galvanize Republicans. But others see him as just what the party needs: an outspoken, courageous voice that does not bend to the winds of political change.

Dean has proven an ability to build widespread, grass roots support, particularly through the Internet.

Many Republican leaders have said they look forward to Dean leading the DNC. Many describe him as an angry, northern liberal -- a symbol of what many argue is "wrong" with the Democratic Party.

"I think if (Democrats) have a true death wish, he'd be the perfect guy to go with," former House Majority Leader Newt Gingrich told Fox News last month.

stiu ca coi fi urat de toti cei care posteaza aici (la coltul democratului) dar mie mi-e clar ca Howard Dean e o alegere de succes...pentru republicani.

agree ku mantoifel, shi pe mine ma gadila faptul.

foarte vioi coltul democratului :D  :D  :D
ce v-ati face voi mah fara mine si Cerbu, doi "democrati" din tata-n fiu :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

nu putem decat sa visăm mutzufane.. ehe...
da' realitatea e alta.

in alta ordine de idei, guvernul american s-a decis sa mai cheltuie vreo 3.5 miliarde de dolari ca sa reorganizeze garderoba armatei. Or sa schimbe petele de camuflaj din verzi in mai mici si mai camuflante (cica). D'aia o tot iau americanii la bot regulat de la WWII incoace, ca nu se camuflau bine. In acelasi timp guvernatorul republican de Oregon propune niste budget cuts de 18% pentru unele programe gen "Head Start". Numa' la noi in CDC inseamna inchiderea unei clase de copii care primeau servicii. Dar suntem patrioti si servim tara. Cu mana pe steagul camuflat.

Quote from: tapirulnu putem decat sa visăm mutzufane.. ehe...
da' realitatea e alta.

da, am vazut cum a fost administrat bugetul Californiei...

nu stiu. Cum? Si de catre cine?

pai un nene democrat- guvernatorul mai clar a tot impartit $ in diverse programe sociale pana cand bugetul (EXCEDENTAR) a crapat in 3 ani. Adica a dat faliment. ca fapt divers, bugetul Californiei era mai mare decat bugetul Romaniei.

bre, te cred, asa e cum zici tu (habar n-aveam ca California a avut guvernator democrat... E strange totusi ca Arnold nu e democrat, ca se potrivea mai bine cu aura lui de haiduc facator de bine impartitor de galbeni la saraci... :P  )
man, tu faci o generalizare pe care eu nu o fac: e o diferenta in a fi "simplu cetatean" cu veleitati republicane sau democrate (conservator sau democrat, cum vrei sa zici, io unul ma consider ca patratel pe la extrema dreapta a liberalilor, cu un picior la conservatori, deci nu degeaba mi-am pus eticheta "extremist de centru", cu copyright lui Radu Cosasu), si alta treaba in a fi politician intr-o barca sau alta. Io am o neincredere organica in politicieni, de orice culoare or fi ei, si nimeni nu o sa ma convinga ca un politician uita de el si actioneaza numai spre binele altora. So, pentru mine un guvernator nu e decat un politician. Nu prea ma intereseaza ce partid reprezinta.

Eu unul nu fac si nu ma pricep la politica, stii prea bine asta. Aici greseste si cerbu cand ma eticheteaza si ma pune in aceeasi oala cu politicienii de stanga (pe care eu ii despise la fel ca pe toti politicienii). Io am idei liberale (da, cred in social security, cred in make love not war, cred in dat bani la saraci si nu la soldati, cred in "iarba verde de acasa" pe care vreau sa o pastrez verde, etc), dar nu am nimic de a face cu politica. Io nu vad nimic rau in a crede in idealuri. Ca realitatea e altfel, dura si cum e ea, este alta poveste. Nu inseamna nicicum ca sunt rupt de realitate (cum ii place iarasi lui cerbu sa creada), utopic si etc. Chiar cred ca treburile astea se pot aplica cu succes. Problema este ca in toate intervine politicul. Societatea civila ar putea avea un rol mai mare in asta, dar deocamdata traim (inca) intr-o era in care politicul (nota bene, nu am zis politica) dicteaza.

full de aktivitatzi pe aici, n-am ce spune. vorba lu' matoifel.

esti off-topic. ti-as putea reprosa acelasi lucru in coltul tau, dar eu sunt rezonabil (ca un liberal) si inteleg ca ai si alte lucruri de facut, precum noi restul (un examen, inca unul...etc)

sa inteleg insa ca te bate gandul sa schimbi tabara, dar ai nevoie sa fii convins suplimentar? uita-te la sectiunea bancuri...

bre, eu incerk sa te ajut si sa tin topiku' viu.

m-am uitat la bankuri, n-am komentat, though. de cand cu alegerile, prea multe bucurii nu prea aveti.

sincer, eu abia astept o batalie Hillary-John McCain pentru prezidentiale in 2008. Daca nici acum nu e lasat sa candideze McCain, atunci... el ar fi singurul pentru care m-as muta mai catre centrul eshichierului...

Oricum, Hillary isi continua neabatuta drumul. A fost in Irak, a aparut bine in presa cu ocazia asta.

Iar McCain da semne clare ca vrea sa candideze: printre altele, un proiect de lege, in colaborare cu Lieberman (care este si ramane un senator puternic), prin care se cere lui W. sa ceara excluderea Rusiei din G8 pe motive de lipsa de democratie si transparenta)...

Asadar... se anunta interesant. Ramane de vazut la democrati cine mai ridica manusa de jos. Bine, au fost anunturi, normale, din partea lui Gore si Kerry ca se gandesc sa candideze in 2008... mai vedem

bre, veteranii nu dau bine. uite cum i-a tras-o bilutza lu' dole si w  lu' kerry.

funny, dupa ce am vorbit pe aici de cony am vazut la stiri lansarea site-ului www.riceforpresident.us

cony ar fi o alegere mult mai inteleapta. in fond, america a avut deja un presedinte negru( bilutza), asa ca n-ar fi un soc prea mare.  in plus, approval rate-ul lu' condy este 67% overall, across races ( curios, 44% din negrii o plac, 37 o displac) pe cand la hilara 45% o plac, 40% o displac puternic, adika fara prea mult loc de manevra. om vedea...

care presedinte negru bilutza, mai, Bill Clinton?  :shock:

da, bre, tu nu stii ca asha i se spune?

m-am uitat si eu pe site-ul dat de tine. eeeextrem de exhaustiv. dar ceea ce m-a lovit cel mai tare este mesajul speriat ca vezi doamne, ajunge Hillary presedinte.

Bomboana pe coliva e pagina de linkuri... nu spun mai multe. dar e extrem de relevanta politic

n-am zis bre ca pagina e relevanta politik, numai ca nu e numai ideea mea. pagina de-abia  a fost lansata. give it time. condy neaga candidatura anyway( adeka nu e pagina ei oficiala).

si daka nu sperietura cu hilara mobilizeaza masele, atunci ce o face? tu nu cetishi la procentele alea?

dar cum ramane cu votatul unui candidat pentru meritele sale?

ahh, abia astept add-urile democratilor in care sa ne fie arata Condy dand declaratiile interesante si flip-flop-iste despre WMD in Irak, al Quaida, bin Laden si cate si mai cate. Cel putin Hillary a fost desteapta si a tinut-o inainte cu versiunea ei despre chestia cu Lewinsky. Si iti readuc aminte ce spunea tipul intr-un articol postat mai sus: toate tipele de la masa o urau, dar au votat-o. asa ca eu nu m-as increde asa tare in numere...

care e bre problema cu meritele? si de ce nu le are condy si le are hilara? e adevarat ca hilara a tinut low profile cu irak, si a votat pentru de cate ori a avut ocazia si a a fost vizibil.

pe de alta parte, nu stiu de ce flip-flop vorbesti. condy a fost o doamna in fata comisiei 9/11, benveniste si bob kerry au fost incredibil de badarani si ea incerca sa ignore grobianismul( kam kum fak eu ku indianul, doar ca eu nu sunt o doamna). nu a flip flopat. evident ka daka faci o reklama gen moore poti sa skoti orice, dar faptele ar kontrazice( but again, who needs fakts when you have hollywood)

draga cerb, ea este cea care declara senina ca se stie clar ca Sadam nu are WMD, ca apoi sa spuna ca asta e motivul pentru care se merge in Irak, ca apoi sa recunoasca faptul ca nu au gasit asa ceva in Irak. asta nu e chestie facuta de mm, ci sunt declaratii ale ei prinse de camera video. nu sunt nici scoase din context, nici trucate. asta a spus ea cu gurita ei de PhD...

o sa ma dokumentez. n-ar strika sa auzi lukrurile alea in kontext, si sa stii exact la ce se referea. ma rog, call me biased.

nu iti spun biased. dar informeaza-te si o sa vezi ce slalom prin declaratii a facut... uneori mi-e si mila, pentru ca si ea, si Colin sunt un pic (dar doar atat) victime ale politicii idoate ale lui Bush, care vedea Irakul negru in fata ochilor din decembrie 2000...

nu stiu bre, singurele linkuri pe care le-am gasit erau legate de mm( de ce oare) si nici ala nu zicea ca condy a zis de wmd( zicea in skimb ca powel ar fi zis) o sa mai kaut.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-22

pe site-ul obezului am gasit asta:

2001 (early): WE DON'T BELIEVE SADDAM IS A THREAT. When you took office in 2001, you sent your Secretary of State, Colin Powell, and your National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, in front of the cameras to assure the American people they need not worry about Saddam Hussein. Here is what they said:


Powell: “We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they have directed that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was 10 years ago when we began it. And frankly, they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.” --February 24, 2001


Rice: “But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.” --July 29, 2001

oricum , asta era pana in 11-9, cand oamenii erau tembel de relaxati( inclusiv bilutza, care a refuzat sudanul cand il oferea pe bin laden)

in the meantime, o sa citez din site-ul lui mm referitor la bush:

BRUSSELS, Belgium - Fully aware that many Europeans have disagreed with him on Iraq and other issues, President Bush was quick on Monday to acknowledge his low popularity ratings.  

"You know, on this journey to Europe, I follow in some large footsteps," Bush said at the beginning of his speech that addressed hotspots around the world. "More than two centuries ago, Benjamin Franklin arrived on this continent to great acclaim."

Bush quoted an observer at the time who said, "There was scarcely a peasant or citizen who did not consider him as a friend to humankind."

"I've been hoping for a similar reception," Bush said, drawing laughter from the audience. "But Secretary (of State Condoleezza) Rice told me I should be a realist."

o sa zici ka e cinik. eu kred ca e funny.

ma, eu nu am negat ca are charisma sau ca are o echipa buna. el apare foarte bun speaker atunci cand se tine de script si nu incearca sa improvizeze. atunci se balbaie...

oricum, nu ma pot abtine sa zambesc larg la gandul ca ai ajuns sa faci documentare de pe site-ul lui MM...

nu te kulka pe o ureke, urmaream numai linkul la rice flip-flopping si am dat peste asta. doar nu krei ka sunt nebun sa-i kresk trafikul slinosului :wink:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/28/nyregion/28fares.html?th

QuoteNew York City subway and bus riders coped with confusion and complained plenty yesterday, as the transit system's second fare increase in less than two years took effect.[...]

The price of a 7-day MetroCard rose to $24 from $21, a 30-day card to $76 from $70, and a 7-day express bus card to $41 from $33. The price of a one-way express bus ride increased to $5 from $4.[...]

On Saturday evening, commuters formed long lines at subway station booths to buy fare cards before the increase took effect.

"The whole public came down last night like the buses were letting them off," said Richard C. Rigby, a booth attendant at the Utica Avenue station on the A and C lines in Brooklyn. "There was an influx around 9 p.m., and it was a very steady stream. The majority of them bought at least two 7-day cards."

Mai pi scurt, abonamentul la RATB-ul lor pe o saptamina s-a scumpit cu 8$ (de la 41 la 33), iar duminica seara navetistii au facut cozi ca sa cumpere cartele la pretul vechi. Un vinzator precizeaza "majoritatea au luat minim doua cartele de o saptamina"... adica au iesit in oras sa se relaxeze prin munca, facind o super-economie de 18$!

Aud vorbe de claca republicane, ca numai lenesii nu au bani. Abia astept sa ajung acolea!

Cerbu nu e funny bush e doar ridicol cand face comparatia cu Franklin. La fel cum ai compara chiracul cu Napoleon.

Quote from: FurnikaCerbu nu e funny bush e doar ridicol cand face comparatia cu Franklin. La fel cum ai compara chiracul cu Napoleon.

cred ca esti constient ca ti-ai semnat condamnarea la moarte sau macar o tona de vorbe spurcate;camera de gazare te mananca;si incepuse sa-mi placa de tine :cry:

Presupun ca in acest caz ar trebui sa facem o coalitie pentru a-l salva pe Furnik de la o moarte cruda prin zdrobire cu copita.

aaa de la moarte nu-l salvez dar ii voi inalta un monument cu inscriptia "m-am impotrivit lui bush"sa fie de invatatura de minte pt altii.   :lol:

Eu totusi voi diskuta ku konsilierii mei un plan de salvare....

Pai stati putin, sa nu vedem lucrurile doar in alb si negru. Sunt de acord cu democratizarea unor tari arabe si in directia asta Bush are intentii bune; comparatia cu Franklin m-a dezamagit, asta e un semn ca incepe sa se manifeste magalomania sau este un efect indus de apropiatii lui. Imi place Bush pt ca nu are atitudinea de pasivitate pe care o au 'liderii europeni'. Irakul a scapat de Saddam si e aproape o tara democratica deacum. Felul in care a fost democratizat Irakul ma intereseaza mai putin; e la fel ca o injectie: doare putin dar stii ca te vindeca. Si daca vindecarea inseamna castigarea libertatii atunci tratamentul se justifica.
Totusi Bush nu se poate abtine sa nu vobeasca prostii.

Frateeee.. ce blat e in Liban! Cf. CIA, limbile vorbite inLiban sint araba, franceza si pe urma engleza... cind colo ce sa vezi, ieri pe CNN strigau "Siria... out!" in enlgelza. Probabil ca regizorul i-ar fi pus sa strige si in franceza pentru TV5 , araba pentru al-jazeera si in cele 7 limbi ale Euronews, daca era cazul.
Stegurile erau identice, ei le tineau acasa in pod, ascunse de frica ocupantului, dar nu'sh cum, toti ascunsesera steaguri de aceeasi dimensiune si cu un scris cu rosu pe fondul alb. (pen' cei mai neintelegatori, insinuez ca steagurile erau distribuite).
Cum va explicati sonorizarea perfecta, care m-a uimit si in Ucraina, si in Georgia... Ale dracu' televiziuni, au avut probleme si cu intilnirea de la Meinz de saptamina trecuta Bush-Schroeder, dar la mitingurile astea "spontane" au sonorizari super.
Si cel mai importat: cine dracu a auzit de arabi care sa ceara democratie? Astia, daca ii lasi sa voteze, ori il aleg pe ayatolah pe 50 de ani, ori pe fiul conducatorului recent decedat... sint exact ca si rusii, le place stabilitatea pe termen foarte lung.
Da' de nationalismul libanez cine aia a ma-sii a auzit? Din punct de vedere istoric, Libanul a apartinut din totdeauna unui imperiu musulman, vreo 400 de ani otomanii, iar in trecut regatelor siriene, siriano-egiptene (asa numitii mameluci)  si califatelor din Bagdad, ba chiar si persanilor. Libanul a fost creat prin impartirea zonei numite traditional Palestina la imperiile invingatoare in WWI, Franta si Anglia luind tot ce se putea lua de la Turcia. Zona ocupata de Franta a fost numita Liban. Independenta Libanului a fost consecinta infringerii Frantei de catre Germania in WWII, nu ca ar fi murit ei de dragul independentei. Populatia este eterogena, e plin de colonisti de toate natiile ocupante, iar arabii aia au vreo 4 religii, toate astea ducind la formarea de gasti care cum se prind, cum se omoara.
E trist pentru SUA ca majoritarii, arabii musulmani si crestini au controlul  (fiindca nici Siria nu e islamica, in ciuda delirului lui W. si Condolitza).
"Irakul a scapat de Saddam si e o tara aproape democratica"???? Pai blea, atita timp cit intr-o tara nu ai PSD si PNL, ci numai UDMR-uri si PRM-uri, ai de fapt mai multe tari tinute legate una de alta, si astea, daca nu se despart la timp, se iau la bataie pina ramine doar una.

QuoteOamenii cu o solida formatie stiintifica sint, de regula, mai putin inclinati sa creada in miracole, iar medicii, pentru care viata si moartea nu au nici un fel de secrete, ar avea toate motivele sa se numere printre cei care privesc cu scepticism cind vine vorba de minuni.
Cu toate acestea, un sondaj de opinie realizat in Statele Unite a scos la iveala faptul ca marea majoritate a doctorilor cred in miracole, iar multi spun ca au observat vindecari care sfideaza orice explicatie stiintifica.
Dintre cei 1.100 de doctori, de toate confesiunile, care au fost inclusi in studiu, 73% au spus ca exista miracole.

Nu degeaba trebuie reformat sistemul de invatamint.

you're a hardcore scientist...
totusi, cum definesc aia in studiu miracolu'? Si io cred in miracole, depinde de definite...
mai discutaram noi odata pe tema asta; stiinta are gresita impresia ca gata, a dat de esenta tuturor adevarurilor.. ca ce nu e stiintific nu exista... Hmm...
Sa zicem asa, stiinta inca nu a dovedit ce si cum cu efectul placebo (stiu, teoria cu endorfinele, too vague), so, conform definitiei, placebo e un miracol...sau hipnoza... sau chiar acupunctura.

QuoteFie ca e vorba de un pacient in faza terminala, care isi revine spectaculos, fie ca e vorba de cineva care se trezeste din coma atunci cind totul parea pierdut, medicii spun ca au vazut cazuri pe care nu le pot explica pe baza cunostintelor dobindite in facultate.

Pina aici e aceeasi idee ca si a ta. Dar..

QuoteSondajul, realizat de compania HCD Research, arata ca 72% din medici sint credinciosi (crestini, musulmani, evrei, budisti sau hindusi). Pe baza propriei credinte, 67% din ei spun ca ii incurajeaza pe bolnavi, ca si pe familiile lor, sa se roage, desi, in general, la facultate sint invatati sa nu amestece stiinta cu religia. Totodata, 37% din cei chestionati au declarat ca ei considera miracolele din Biblie ca fiind perfect adevarate, in timp ce jumatate spun ca acestea ar trebui inter-pretate ca metafore.

Quote from: FurnikaPai stati putin, sa nu vedem lucrurile doar in alb si negru. Sunt de acord cu democratizarea unor tari arabe si in directia asta Bush are intentii bune; comparatia cu Franklin m-a dezamagit, asta e un semn ca incepe sa se manifeste magalomania sau este un efect indus de apropiatii lui. Imi place Bush pt ca nu are atitudinea de pasivitate pe care o au 'liderii europeni'. Irakul a scapat de Saddam si e aproape o tara democratica deacum. Felul in care a fost democratizat Irakul ma intereseaza mai putin; e la fel ca o injectie: doare putin dar stii ca te vindeca. Si daca vindecarea inseamna castigarea libertatii atunci tratamentul se justifica.
Totusi Bush nu se poate abtine sa nu vobeasca prostii.

era o GLUMA, bre, nu megalomanie. evident ca pe alocuri spune prostii, dar aia nu era una dintre ele. era un mod de a da cu tifla fara a calca pe bataturi. se pare ca la voi nu e obisnuit, dar aici autoironia e foarte apreciata.

agree cu restul, uite si la siria. bashir s-a cam jukat ku foku si acum ii cam miroase diaperul.

pai lucisandor, de ce trimisul la biserica e neaparat nestiintific? Din cate stiu mersul la popa e cea mai buna psihoterapie. Si poate ca actioneaza tot prin endorfinele din cap ca si placebo, nu neaparat prin dumnezeul din cer.

Pai ei nu o fac de dragul de a-i face bine la trup, ci la sufletzel.

pai nici io nu zic altfel. Si io i-as incuraja pe pacienti sa se roage, chiar daca eu nu as fi credincios, dar as sti ca ei sunt. Si nu prea pricep, btw, de ce in scoala tre' sa ti se spuna sa nu amesteci religia cu stiinta? De parca ar fi demonstrat cineva, stiintifc, ca dumnezeu nu exista si totul e bullshit. Io zic ca stiinta trebuie sa iti deschida mintea, nu sa ti-o inchida, si sa te faca sensbil si receptiv la orice idee, oricat ar parea ea de imposibila, improbabila, sau imp.. ce mai era?
Anyways, parerea (si filozofia) mea este ca "you never know"

de acord cu " you never know"

nu stiu in ro, dar aici pacientii credinciosi sunt mult mai rezonabili decat aia atei( pe ansamblu, evident)

evident ca nu poti sa lasi totul in seama lui dumnezeu, dar in situatii terminale face discutia mai usoara, si acceptarea ideii de moarte.

normal ca nu lasi totul in seama lui dumnezeu.. Era un banc (sau o pildă mai degraba) pe tema asta..Cu un om care era extrem de pios si cucernic, intotdeauna facea bine si respecta cuvatul domnului, mergea la biserica, ma rog, tot tacamul. Si fiind el asa credincios avea o mare incredere ca dumnezeu il va ajuta intotdeauna si nu o sa il lase.. Si intr-o buna zi o mare inundatie se petrece, totul este maturat, casa astuia inundata.. el se cocoata pe acoperis, calm, convins ca dumnezeu il va ajuta.. La un moment dat apare o buturuga de care erau trei agatati, aia ii fac semn sa se agate si el, el zice "nu, eu nu am nevoie de buturuga ta, eu am incredere in dumnezeu"; mai trece ceva vreme, mai vine un grup intr-o barca supraincarcata, aia ii zic ca totusi sa vina si el ca e mai bine decat sa se scufunde cu casa, el ca nu ca el crede in dumnezeu.. Ma rog, tot asa. In final omul moare inecat si ajunge (uluit) in cer. Aici se intalneste cu dumnezeu caruia ii zice "Doamne, dar eu am crezut in tine, am respectat tot ce ai zis, am fost pios si credincios, nu am pacatuit.. Am crezut in tine, am crezut ca o sa ma ajuti.. M-am inselat oare?" La care Dumnezeu ii spune "omule, ti-am trimis de cateva ori ajutor, TU nu ai vrut sa il primesti..."

cam lung bancul si cam off-topic.. Ideea e ca, din cate stiu eu, Dumnezeu ii ajuta pe cei care stiu sa isi poarte singuri de grija. Nu cred ca EL vrea sa fie substituit oricarei alte forme de ajutor..

Quote from: olde phartaici pacientii credinciosi sunt mult mai rezonabili decat aia atei( pe ansamblu, evident)

Suna oximoronic, pacienti psihiatrici rezonabili :)

that's cute, but seriously...

lucilă, băşina bătrână e pe MI nu pe psihi

Quote from: tapirullucilă, băşina bătrână e pe MI nu pe psihi

sometimes I wonder...

And I wonder
I wa-wa-wa-wa-wonder
Why
Why-why-why-why-why she ran away
And I wonder where she will stay
My little runaway, run-run-run-run-runaway

(Musitron solo)

(discutii democrate)
PS Toshiko mi-a zis ca n-o sa mai ia niciodata cursuri cu Sociology Department pen'ca sunt prea liberali. :P

wtf e MI? m-am uitat in acronymfinder si am gasit doar mentally ill.

that too, tapiru meant IM( internal medicine)

bey tapi, tot femeia sa te aduca pe brazda?

Quote
Hackers put Bush in power

Mrs Kerry’s claim

By Nick Farrell: Thursday 10 March 2005, 12:51
THE MISSUS of failed democrat presidential candidate John Kerry, Teresa has told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that she thinks that the only reason her husband lost to George Bush was because of hackers.

Mrs Kerry is still skeptical about George Bush's victory some four months after her husband lost. She questionings the legitimacy of the optical scanners used in some states to record votes.

She said most of the machines used were owned by two brothers who were hard-right republicans. Kerry said that it was "very easy to hack into the mother machines and urged Democrats to push for accountability and transparency.

She said: "We in the United States are not a banana republic. I fear for [the mid-term elections in 2006. I don't trust it the way it is right now."

More here.

Articolul se gaseste la http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21721

Pe mine m-a lasat masca ce aberatii pot scoate unii oameni. In ritmul asta si Basescu poate ajunge presedinte in SUA.....

a draku' republikani ku konspiratzia lor. iar au furat alegerile dupa ce au disenfrancizat un milion de negri si cateva mii de obezi, ka sa nu vorbim de 'jdemiile de pensionari dementi inregistrati democrati care voteaza din nursing home( am pacienti, nu glumesk)

Apropo de medicii religiosi si de mai mult sau mai putin definitele miracole: lucrul vreo citiva ani intr-o camera de garda de urgente, eu zic ca te face sa-ti pui citeva intrebari.... Pe de alta parte  foarte serios vorbind, oameni la fel de seriosi s-au apucat sa cerceteze (stiintific vorbind) aste trebi (gen lucrurilecaretefacsatipuiintrebariasupraaltorlucrurisicareseintimplaprinspitaleincazcaestecapabilcinevasaobserveceeaces-aintimplat) fara idei preconcepute.
Asa, ca paranteza la cele de mai sus, tin minte din anii facultatii un pediatru batrin despre care asistentele mai susoteu pe la colturi si, care la un moment dat a fost dat afara de surori din salonul de Terapie Intensiva in care agoniza fara nici o sansa un pusti de vre-un an si ceva.  (nu mai stiu ce avea) Tipul se tot invirtea pe acolo fara sa faca nimic si la un moment dat una din asistente (la fel de batrina ca el) ii spune: "Domnule Doctor, plecati odata de-aici ca sa poata muri copilul asta " Cuminte, dupa o secunda de reflectie tipul iese si pustiul se curata in 10 minute. ma rog, putem vorbi un secol si pe diverse teme despre cestia asta, dar realitatea e ca nu poti la un moment dat sa incerci sa intelegi si sa concepi totul numai prin prisma logicii deductive si al stiintelor fundamentale.

P.S> tapirus, poate ai putea sa faci (eventual in caz ca tu consideri un topic separat cu posturile "deviate" pe problema in care m-am bagat si eu)

i don't get it. why is this funny?

you're mean
nu e genul de gluma pe care as face-o in mod normal (cum spuneam de glumele despre fizicul Hilarei), dar Coulter chiar are ceva care te indeamna la mishtou.

.. care fizic arata cam asa....
(din genul "se baga si nea Ioon, ca si el e om")

nu sunt mean bre, gluma e insipida. sunt o gramada de glume bune facute de democrati.; asta nu e una din ele. eram sincer si nu mean, chiar nu-i inteleg umorul.

multi democrati  zic ca coulter e attractive. mie nu mi pare. e oleaca clapauga si cam colturoasa. deci nu ma deranjeaza caricatura( mufa) in sine, ci toata chestia, pentru ca e de prost gust.